Curse

Jodie O · Jun 13, 2006, 09:48 AM // 09:48

any chance of filming this in action? pretty pls

Yanman.be · Jun 13, 2006, 09:57 AM // 09:57

How funny..they try to nerf 55, but with new skills, they made an even better-invinci build (also, this one can stand more hexes and degen!

*Edit* MUST TRY THIS IN RA!

oHcHeese · Jun 13, 2006, 10:13 AM // 10:13

waauw, i'm just realy amazed :O I'm gonna try this out with my guildmate rel soon !

but could you make the guide a bit more clear? It's all so mixed up...a bit of structure would be realy nice !

( If you need any help, just ask me, I realy like this and i'd be honored to help you make it better

)

( you need 570hp , right ?+ vital blessing : 770...so you don't need perfect stuff

so base hp + major vigor + 30hp rod and wand or a +60 staff, hmmm, these could be found at a collector

or a staff with +25 hale and +25 wrapping ! )

Evilsod · Jun 13, 2006, 10:48 AM // 10:48

You considered bringing Sympathetic Visage and going Mo/Me instead of /W? Frenzy is all good... but interrupts still suck.

I don't see why you need Mending though to counteract Bleeding. Even if SB is healing for the same health you lose each hit and your just losing out from Degen, surely casting the odd skill on yourself (such as another SB) heals you back up.

I like the Holy Wrath/Retribution/Signet of Judgement idea though. If theres space would it be possible to bring along Mantra of Signets aswell as Inscriptions?

Ietwat · Jun 13, 2006, 11:02 AM // 11:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evilsod

I like the Holy Wrath/Retribution/Signet of Judgement idea though. If theres space would it be possible to bring along Mantra of Signets aswell as Inscriptions?

Holy Wrath and Rertibution are meant for damage, and signet of judgement is quite good but u dont actually need it. Ill duo this with Exile and i can tell u its better to take SoJ with you against the dryders cuz the are ranged attacker´s and it takes a while to kill them, ill echo SoJ when we try to get past the Obsidian Behemots (yes this build is able to get past the behemots, and we can reach the top of the Twin Serpent Mountains

)

This weekend ill try to get farther into UW with my brother.
This build is able to duo, far more then 55hp / ss-sv and far more flexible: i got 3 open slots and my brother 2

Im still waiting for Sno to open up another UW challenge: How far can u get into UW?

Exile Of Heaven · Jun 13, 2006, 01:22 PM // 13:22

Well i can make a video soon of it

asap if my friend gives me the gamecam cd

Ill post the video if were done!

And as i said we did not bring Mending anymore and now we got 7 enchants on me

Sympathetic Visage does not have 2 come, interupt are not a problem, u can recast anytime u want

just keep them up

Draining on smite's does not have 2 be done, becuz its not an hex they can shatter, they dont have spells 2 remove enchants so, u dont need 2 drain

wich i think is way faster

ill do 20 smite group under 15 secs now

lots of smiles

, I'm happy!

shaktiboi · Jun 13, 2006, 06:44 PM // 18:44

Any chance that you two could post the current, updated version of your builds? You've made a lot of changes to it over the course of this thread and its kinda hard to follow

Also a rough "how to" play guide would be extremely useful as well. Who does what? In what order? What are the most important things to be aware of? It doesn't have to be super-detailed; just help us understand the general outline of how you two coordinate your efforts.

And Ubermancer? If you're still lurking this thread, I'd really appreciate a little more description of how you run your listed pair on this thread. Not asking for one of your usual excellent guides; just a little more detail than you put in your previous post on this thread. I'm a bit new to the monking profession and looking for something fun and challenging for my wife and I to duo together without needing to bother with henchies.

Exile Of Heaven · Jun 14, 2006, 11:34 AM // 11:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by shaktiboi

Any chance that you two could post the current, updated version of your builds? You've made a lot of changes to it over the course of this thread and its kinda hard to follow

Well i will update it asap, but im busy with school

I will do it

-----Edit-----
i updated it

sheepush · Jun 14, 2006, 05:17 PM // 17:17

When can we see you in action ? ^^

Exile Of Heaven · Jun 14, 2006, 06:58 PM // 18:58

As soon i get Gamecam from my friend

then ill post the link!

Koning · Jun 17, 2006, 05:27 PM // 17:27

i'm also still dying at the squids...even with frenzy (i have 3 parts of shing jae monastry 15 AL armor). i think the problem is flurry, which cuts their damage output with 25%. maybe u need sv against them (cancel flurry), or just take them together with aatxes

. I would like to have more detail on how u take on the squids (and ofcourse the video

)

silent333x2 · Jun 17, 2006, 07:12 PM // 19:12

Well I definatley am very interested in this and have had my own ideas about it when they created spirit bond. Never though of frenzy though. I'de asume using a low al armor is best so you can take more dmg like la tats armor or something or the low al +hp armor from the presearing island in cantha.
Anways, I still dont't have factions but I'll have it next month once amazon ships my ce. I already have plans with one of my guild mates to start doing this and I will record some footage with fraps from both players perspectives.

silent333x2 · Jun 17, 2006, 08:02 PM // 20:02

Hows this?

Spirit Bonder:

mo/w

Spellbreaker
Frenzy
Spirit Bond
Protective Spirit
Blessed Signet
Life Attunement
Vital Blessing (rebirth as alternat as the extra 211 health is not realy needed)
Balthazars Spirit

Protections: 12+1+1 (or 12+1+3)
Devine: 12+1 (or 12+3)

Smiter:

mo/r

Holy Wrath (Casts on Spirit Bonder)
Retribution (Casts on Spirit Bonder)
Blessed Aura (Casts on Spirit Bonder)
Essence Bond (Casts on Spirit Bonder)
Signet of Judgment
Blessed Signet
Symbiosis
Rebirth

Smiting: 12+1+3
Devine: 8+3
Beast Mastery: 10

This makes for lots of extra health, with health well over 1000. Ide imagine the extra hp from symbiosis should make this go much faster.

And 10% from protective spirit on 1000 health = 100 dmg, but thats what life attunement is for. 48% of 96 = 46.08 + 96 = 142.08

That should provide an extra comfort level, even when health goes above 1000 your healing is still much greater than the damage being delt.

With this build an estimated 1600+ health is possible. (thats not including the bonus hp from the enchantments of spirit bond or protective spirit or spellbreaker, with them it gets over 1800 - 2000 health)

10% of 1600 is 160 and you will be healed for 142.08 health each time, meaning you will take damage right? Wrong, thats what devine favor is for :P

Also, all the extra hp means that the spirit bonder can use as many superior runes as he would like.

Exile Of Heaven · Jun 17, 2006, 08:05 PM // 20:05

Well indeed u can have trouble with the Squidies, and me and my brother take them with the aaxtes, and if u dont, this is the advice!:

Make sure 2 Recast ASAP SB or PS, gives u hp from Divine Favor!
or as i did not mention before, become mesmer 2 take the Elemental Stance(Ele Resistance) 2 get - armor rating and get also dmg, (not tested yet, BUSY with school

and my brother dont want 2 go

)

Keep in mind that the Aaxtes will inflict deepwound and 1k hp is them max becuz each time they do dmg with an attack, u have a deep wound they heal me for 103 hp, and will DO more dmg but u can get dmged by squidies even harder, wich makes it difficult.

Also, the SBer, has 2 energy gain enchants, 2 make sure he gets his energy even from squidies so he can recast as soon as SB or PS is recharged, many have asked me about this, in the Video, wich i hope 2 make soon

i will make it clearly

, and i will show u how 2 get past the Behemots

with 2 MONKS!

silent333x2 · Jun 17, 2006, 08:30 PM // 20:30

Well I updated my last post check it out.

ubermancer · Jun 17, 2006, 09:00 PM // 21:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by silent333x2

Hows this?

Spirit Bonder:

mo/w

Spellbreaker
Frenzy
Spirit Bond
Protective Spirit
Blessed Signet (Defy Pain for an alternate as I'm sure you wont need blessed for the energy)
Life Attunement
Vital Blessing
Balthazars Spirit

Protections: 12+1+1 (or 12+1+3)
Devine: 12+1 (or 12+3)

Smiter:

mo/r

Holy Wrath (Casts on Spirit Bonder)
Retribution (Casts on Spirit Bonder)
Blessed Aura (Casts on Spirit Bonder)
Essence Bond (Casts on Spirit Bonder)
Signet of Judgment
Blessed Signet
Symbiosis
Rebirth

Smiting: 12+1+3
Devine: 8+3
Beast Mastery: 10

This makes for lots of extra health, with health well over 1000. Ide imagine the extra hp from symbiosis should make this go much faster.

And 10% from protective spirit on 1000 health = 100 dmg, but thats what life attunement is for. 48% of 96 = 46.08 + 96 = 142.08

That should provide an extra comfort level, even when health goes above 1000 your healing is still much greater than the damage being delt.

With this build an estimated 1600+ health is possible. (thats not including the bonus hp from the enchantments of spirit bond or protective spirit or spellbreaker, with them it gets over 1800 - 2000 health)

10% of 1600 is 160 and you will be healed for 142.08 health each time, meaning you will take damage right? Wrong, thats what devine favor is for :P

Also, all the extra hp means that the spirit bonder can use as many superior runes as he would like.

Ewww.

There NO reason to push your health over past ~750, which is where Holy Wrath (w/ Protective Spirit) maxes out, unless you want to switch to high AL armor, and simply tank the squids out while a backline kills em (which is an idea, even if Im not immediatly convinced of its feasibility).

Intentionally pushing it over past what spirit bond can heal is ludicrious. Your supposed to take to damage per hit (~15dps/mob) and outheal that with DIVINE FAVOR alone? The 40 or so points youll get from DF max will NOT sufficient to heal you with more then a few mobs on you... and even then, it mandates spamming - which is a bad thing.

EDIT: Pretty sure you mean Endure Pain, not Defy Pain.

silent333x2 · Jun 17, 2006, 09:14 PM // 21:14

This was only just a thought that I need to have critiqued since I do not have factions yet to test with spirit bond. The extrodanarily high hp is only used in certain cases where you would be inflicted with a deep wound or have defile flesh on you or any other type of regen. I still firmly believe that this type of build with higher hp can clear almost all of the uw to try to get farther than anyone else.

BTW, thanks for correction on defy pain. It's now set to endure pain.

Anyways I belive the sweetspot for this is around 1200 health since you will have maxinum damage output even with a deep wound and also be able to outheal the damage being delt.

This is also meant to save on money since you will not need any offhand to provide any extra health and no vigor rune is required.
This alows the spirit bonder to use a superior protection and a superior devine so that spirit bond is now healing for 104 and life attunement will increase that by 52%.

NumberTheory · Jun 18, 2006, 12:44 AM // 00:44

Spirit bond is applied before prot spirit... so it triggers even if your hp is 225 or such and prot spirit is on

legless_the_elf · Jun 18, 2006, 03:00 AM // 03:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by NumberTheory

Spirit bond is applied before prot spirit... so it triggers even if your hp is 225 or such and prot spirit is on

Seconded:this will save u a lot of trouble but make sure you WOULD be taking 60+ dmg without PS

silent333x2 · Jun 18, 2006, 03:08 AM // 03:08

But is it also trigered before the damage is reduced by your al?